It's just like you said. the difference is the tiltable screen, longer zoom, and slightly wider lens 24mm vs 28mm. GX7 is a bit bigger but it wont bother so much because I don't put either camera in my pocket anyway. Both using the new Digic 7 processor.
But I would say, go for the GX7. You will appreciate the tiltable screen in the long run. The bigger body of GX7 mark ii comes with a grip so that's a plus.
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0lf • Senior Member • Posts: 1,284
Re: G7X II vs G9X II
In reply to Colby75 • Mar 7, 2017
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Beside what Daniel said,
the G7x2 also have a much brighter lens : at 84mm, the G9x2 is f/4.9 and the G7x2 is f/2.8, meaning it is 5/3EV brighter.
Also, about handling, the G7x2 ring dial has a clic/clicless switch, a rear dial and more buttons.
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Re: G7X II vs G9X II
In reply to 0lf • Mar 9, 2017
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Image quality should be the same for the same settings, but the lens difference means that you would often be using different settings. The G7XII has a longer (at both ends) and faster lens, which can make a lot of difference, especially once you get to 35mm equivalent and above. The increase in image quality from using a lower ISO setting, because the lens is faster, can be quite noticeable. Also, the increased control over background blur that you get at the longer focal lengths can make a significant difference to the images. The other main difference is the flippy screen on the G7XII, which can be useful. The difference in size and weight is negligible, unless you are really obsessed with fitting the camera in a pocket that is exactly the size of the G9XII. For me, the availability of F2.8 at the portrait friendly focal lengths (80-100mm equivalent) is the overriding factor in preferring the G7XII. It's not that you can't get any background separation with F4.9 at 84mm equivalent, but the difference between that and F2.8 at 100mm equivalent is quite striking.
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Many thanks to those who posted! I picked up a G7X II which was the way I had been leaning anyway. So now it's on to the fun part taking photos and getting to know the camera.
Re: G7X II vs G9X II
In reply to Colby75 • Mar 10, 2017
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Colby75 wrote: Many thanks to those who posted! I picked up a G7X II which was the way I had been leaning anyway. So now it's on to the fun part taking photos and getting to know the camera.
Congrats, I picked mine up a few weeks ago. I had kind of the same choice as youi (except my alternative was the Sony RX100 M2 which I owned for two weeks) Loving my GX7 ii.
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Prairie Pal wrote:Colby75 wrote: Many thanks to those who posted! I picked up a G7X II which was the way I had been leaning anyway. So now it's on to the fun part taking photos and getting to know the camera.Congrats, I picked mine up a few weeks ago. I had kind of the same choice as youi (except my alternative was the Sony RX100 M2 which I owned for two weeks) Loving my GX7 ii.
What didn't you like about the Sony?
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Re: G7X II vs G9X II
In reply to Colby75 • Mar 10, 2017
I went thru the same process of setting up my new G7X II a few weeks ago. When the dust clears, I'd be interested to learn how you have yours set up. I assigned Step Zoom to the front ring, Touch Shutter to the Record Button and Blank Screen to the Func. Set Button. I used to always shoot in aperture priority, but I'm considering trying full Manual, which means the Step Zoom will be replaced by shutter speed on the front ring. I also have Exposure and focus set to Spot and have the two connected.
Re: G7X II vs G9X II
In reply to 2string • Mar 10, 2017
2string wrote:Prairie Pal wrote:What didn't you like about the Sony?Colby75 wrote: Many thanks to those who posted! I picked up a G7X II which was the way I had been leaning anyway. So now it's on to the fun part taking photos and getting to know the camera.Congrats, I picked mine up a few weeks ago. I had kind of the same choice as youi (except my alternative was the Sony RX100 M2 which I owned for two weeks) Loving my GX7 ii.
Predominately the sluggish and imprecise click-less control ring on the front. Secondly the slippery surface. No touch screen at all. And poor menus.
Most of those was a deal breaker on it's own. But put them all together and I hated the camera.
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For photos of groups of about 20 people in a not particularly well lit room where I would think that one is not using a high zoom at all would you say there's going to be a noticeable / significant difference in the picture quality due the the brightness of the g7 lens?
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I have had the G9xii for several months and overall am very happy with it. Its biggest advantage is that it is so small and light that it is no trouble at all to always have it with me, so I get many shots that I would otherwise have missed.
Previously I used a G12 (400g) and EOS-M as pocket cameras and found them to be just a bit too bulky and heavy to be comfortable with most of my jackets and trousers.
In common with the G7x ii the G9x ii lacks a hot shoe for an external EVF or powerful flash, and has few separate controls. Its biggest deficiency compared to the G7xii is the lens. It is quite soft in the corners. With increasing focal length and smaller apertures it sharpens up to levels that are acceptable for many images, but it is never as sharp in the corners as I sometimes want.
From what I have seen of G7x ii images it delivers far sharper corners. It goes from 24-100mm (FF equivalent) compared to the Gxii's 28-85. It does not sound much but at the wide end 24 is a lot wider than 28. It is a lot faster too.
The other big difference is a tilting screen. That is a mixed blessing. It is often convenient, but it is also more likely to be damaged or fail and it adds to the bulk of the camera.
For me the questions are: Does the better lens of the G7x ii make the extra weight and bulk worthwhile? Would I find it as easily pocketable in practice, despite an extra 100g and about a 50% increase in thickness?
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damian5000 • Senior Member • Posts: 1,948
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I wear cargo shorts often, and G7X fits no problem, but it's not exactly comfortable. Not uncomfortable, just a bit odd with the bulge. That being said, I'm not sure the G9X wouldn't feel bulky as well.
IMO all the benefits you mention make it well worth it. Also, 24mm for wider shots, and the longer zoom+significantly brighter lens would give you the possibility of stronger bokeh. The brighter lens would also gain you significant versatility with ISO/shutterspeed when zoomed.
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Re: G7X II vs G9X II
damian5000 wrote:I wear cargo shorts often, and G7X fits no problem, but it's not exactly comfortable. Not uncomfortable, just a bit odd with the bulge. That being said, I'm not sure the G9X wouldn't feel bulky as well.
IMO all the benefits you mention make it well worth it. Also, 24mm for wider shots, and the longer zoom+significantly brighter lens would give you the possibility of stronger bokeh. The brighter lens would also gain you significant versatility with ISO/shutterspeed when zoomed.
The G9X is really tiny and I prefer the mix of this (Mk I) and the G1X Mk II rather than sit in the middle with the G7X. The pair cost me £760 which gives a lot of scope for the money but the original G1X big lens concept will soon be gone. If anyone wants a cheap zoom lens/camera going up to 62mm @ f3.9 lens giving real bokeh now's the time or forever hold your peace.
I have a feeling the G1X Mk II is going to be like the Olympus 1S and sorely missed when it has gone.
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Re: G7X II vs G9X II
KeepCalm wrote:damian5000 wrote:I wear cargo shorts often, and G7X fits no problem, but it's not exactly comfortable. Not uncomfortable, just a bit odd with the bulge. That being said, I'm not sure the G9X wouldn't feel bulky as well.
IMO all the benefits you mention make it well worth it. Also, 24mm for wider shots, and the longer zoom+significantly brighter lens would give you the possibility of stronger bokeh. The brighter lens would also gain you significant versatility with ISO/shutterspeed when zoomed.The G9X is really tiny and I prefer the mix of this (Mk I) and the G1X Mk II rather than sit in the middle with the G7X. The pair cost me £760 which gives a lot of scope for the money but the original G1X big lens concept will soon be gone. If anyone wants a cheap zoom lens/camera going up to 62mm @ f3.9 lens giving real bokeh now's the time or forever hold your peace.
I have a feeling the G1X Mk II is going to be like the Olympus 1S and sorely missed when it has gone.
Right, nothing wrong with the G9X. Just prefer the G7X due to some of the reasons I listed above.
Actually, was "this close" to pulling the trigger on G9XM1 due to a great 2nd hand price. But unfortunately, a "scratch" turned out to be some sort of fairly significant dent. Didn't look like it'd been a drop, but something came against it hard. Decided to back out.
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Re: G7X II vs G9X II
I am with Thomas on this one. I have the G9XII and I love it. I carry it in my front right pocket ALL the time together with my iPhone, and anything larger than the G9X would not be comfortable to walk around. I would give the G9X a solid Four Star rating. I would never purchase the G7X...
Thomas Rose wrote:I have had the G9xii for several months and overall am very happy with it. Its biggest advantage is that it is so small and light that it is no trouble at all to always have it with me, so I get many shots that I would otherwise have missed.
Previously I used a G12 (400g) and EOS-M as pocket cameras and found them to be just a bit too bulky and heavy to be comfortable with most of my jackets and trousers.
In common with the G7x ii the G9x ii lacks a hot shoe for an external EVF or powerful flash, and has few separate controls. Its biggest deficiency compared to the G7xii is the lens. It is quite soft in the corners. With increasing focal length and smaller apertures it sharpens up to levels that are acceptable for many images, but it is never as sharp in the corners as I sometimes want.
From what I have seen of G7x ii images it delivers far sharper corners. It goes from 24-100mm (FF equivalent) compared to the Gxii's 28-85. It does not sound much but at the wide end 24 is a lot wider than 28. It is a lot faster too.
The other big difference is a tilting screen. That is a mixed blessing. It is often convenient, but it is also more likely to be damaged or fail and it adds to the bulk of the camera.
For me the questions are: Does the better lens of the G7x ii make the extra weight and bulk worthwhile? Would I find it as easily pocketable in practice, despite an extra 100g and about a 50% increase in thickness?
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